Originally Posted by Delta2.2
Maybe not, but he's trying to figure out what he can do to his 2.2. I give him credit for it. It's always good to know what your options are and it's good to learn something new.
"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever"
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Well since its not really a homebrew kind of install it doesnt really matter if he understands it (though I think its a bit rude for you to assume he doesnt) al that matters is that you find a compotent shop to mod the cams.
Enough so it will fit in the head.plus how much do u have to take off of the intake cam?? that would be useful info IMO
To be honest I do know what all this means. I'm gonna call comp cams tomorrow and ask them what is the best way to run these cams...for example...I'm gonna ask what program they recommend and if they have any at all, check the runner size (intake for the stock 2.2 and see if I can run the 2.4 honed manifold...what difference that will make b/c bigger runner size might offset the velocity), also gonna ask to see if they recommend the adj. cams b/c really don't need to retard or advance it no more than 3-4 degrees also gonna ask about if I need the Wideband o2 b/c it might run lean but our fuel system can pretty much compensate for that, but I might look into get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator but don't know yet. I'm also going to ask about the stage 2 cams and see how much difference it will be b/c if it's about the same price...I'll prolly do that. Yes the cam has to be grinded down to fit that reluctor in the head b/c it's almost like our Camshaft Position Sensor but not so much. But the Stage 1 cam is a good mid-range cam and I think it'll do fine.
Yes I plan on doing this but I'm going have to wait for the money to come about. I'm just that type person to have all my ducks in a row before I start spending money on things. I like to do all my research and have all the loose ends tied off and do it once and not a bunch of times. I work at advance auto and I can get the cams for $417. And I plan on gettin' the B&M shiftplus...it's only $30 @ work. Also gonna get a tubulator tranny cooler b/c it wouldn't hurt to have a cooler to keep the fluid nice and cool.
im all for learning bro, i give him credit as well. but the thing people dont understand is some stuff that when they spend the big money on stuff like this and it DOESNT work that i dont want them to wonder why no one told them so.
as far as it goes, im not being rude, because i know what it involves and the time it takes.Well since its not really a homebrew kind of install it doesnt really matter if he understands it (though I think its a bit rude for you to assume he doesnt) al that matters is that you find a compotent shop to mod the cams.
Enough so it will fit in the head.
as far as it goes, i just dont wanna see this flop on him, seen it too many times and people take big hits from it. its not pretty...
ok well just letting you know, since the cams cost that much, things i have to ask.
1) are u installing all this stuff urself? or is a shop
2) if a shop is installing it, how much is they estimated cost?
3) and since you HAVE to modify the cams, how much will a shop charge you for that as well
if this project is going to run you over 1000 dollars i highly suggest going FORCED INDUCTION at this point and haveing someone tune ur car with trifecta or LS2 edit. net gains will be far greater and more reliable.
Well I have a couple of different options. There is this side mechanic who works for the state but makes more money working on cars on the side. He is ASE Certified in everything. He has worked a dealerships and other garages but needed something that paid better and what not with benefits and insurance. He's been workin on cars since he was a teenager. I call him up when I have wild ?'s at work. LoL! But he is going to help me do this. I also have a co-worker who works at Honda Auto Park and he is also ASE Certified in everything as well...mainly he's a ford guy but works on everything on the side as well. Has built many motors. And I can use him as well. Mainly...I only let these two people touch my car for major stuff...even with my old car. I will be doing everything with them helping me...cuz I want to learn and they are willing to teach me.
As far as price....yeah I was plannin on puttin on a header and an exhaust in the first place. I was plannin on doing the 2.4 manifold swap before the idea of the cams. I was planning on doing the motor mounts and B&M Shift Plus. So really the only thing added to my list is the cams, maybe the adj. fuel reg., and maybe wideband o2(really don't think I'm gonna need it but you never know). So cost would be around I think total with tuning $750-850 without wideband and adj. fuel reg. But with forced induction I'll have more headaches to deal with especially passing emissions in NC. So the idea of forced induction is great...but not at this time for me. Maybe in the future when everything is out of warranty.
But as far as shops prices...I can call around and ask them what they would charge and give a ballpark figure if you're interested. But some shops won't touch this b/c of the liability issues and what not. Not many tuner shops around these parts of NC. I do know of a place about 20miles from the house and they tune cars...05BeanSS had her car tuned their when she got her Stage 2 stuff on her SS. And they charged her $350 for the tune with HPTuner but as far as I know they don't have anything for the 2.2 with hptuner...but I may be wrong. I'm going to call them tomorrow to and see if they even do tuning for the 2.2.
You might want to look into the fuel pressure regulator. I'm not sure if it's neccesary. I thought I've heard that they're aren't needed with our platform. I'm not sure why it would or wouldn't be.
Also, HPTuners isn't compatible with the 2.2.
Good luck with all of this. Keep us updated.
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I thought the 07's were tunable with HPtuners cause they have the same ECU as the SC's?
'06 Cobalt LT Yellow
Mods: Performance Magnaflow Cat-Back, Modified GMPP header,Injen Cold Air Intake, Driver Mod, Driver Weight Reduction.
Mods: Suspension Progress Springs, Bwoody Sway Bar, DC Sports STB.
15.347 @89.55 mph 2.296 60' I/E
As far as I know none of the 2.2's can be tune with HPtuners. I could be weong though
Hockey is like hot women and beer to us. You get it all fast action, scoring, and fights.
I was pretty sure it's just the E16 ECM that can't be tuned cause the newer ones use the E67 which is the same as the SS
'06 Cobalt LT Yellow
Mods: Performance Magnaflow Cat-Back, Modified GMPP header,Injen Cold Air Intake, Driver Mod, Driver Weight Reduction.
Mods: Suspension Progress Springs, Bwoody Sway Bar, DC Sports STB.
15.347 @89.55 mph 2.296 60' I/E
Ok so I called Comp Cams today and asked them those ?'s and they told me....
The cams are direct bolt in....no grinding. The part number I was looking at was a stage 2 cam. It doesn't require a wideband o2 sensor nor an adj. fuel pressure regulator. They also said they would recommend a tune. They recommended Diablo...I told them about trifecta and they said that would be fine. And he said it wouldn't throw a CEL. I would not have to get adj. cam gears. I did ask them about the 2.4 manifold swap and he said that I would lose hp at the beg. but gain it back in the mid and high end. But he also recommended valve springs with this cam. I did ask him would this cam be good with a turbo set up and he said it would be fine. He also recommended if I was going turbo one day that it would be nice to get the 2.4 manifold.
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